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0:00Okay, so welcome to this beep dive today our mission is well, we're looking at a pretty radical policy proposal
0:06Yeah, it really is a massive shift
0:08It's about paying politicians a lifetime salary to just like never work again to stop the revolving door
0:15Right, which I know sounds completely counterintuitive at first paying people to do nothing. I mean, let's unpack this
0:22Imagine you have a referee in a championship game, right?
0:25And they make all these highly questionable calls favoring one team
0:30That team wins and the very next day they hire that exact referee for a million dollar contract
0:35You'd be absolutely furious exactly
0:38But that exact scenario plays out in our government all the time
0:41politicians referee the economy and then they take these massive payouts from the winning teams and
0:47You should care about this because it directly impacts your wallet
0:50It does. Yeah, and it targets a profound structural flaw in democracies
0:54It's all about what we call bureaucratic capital bureaucratic capital
0:58Yeah, so a politician realizes their future earning potential in the private sector depends on how valuable they are to corporations
1:05So while they're in office they might deliberately draft regulations that are you know incredibly complex or intentionally vague like building a maze
1:15Exactly like a maze they architect this legal labyrinth so that later on they can charge private companies
1:21Exorbitant consulting fees to navigate the exact same maze they just built wow
1:25Okay, so to justify paying them not to work
1:28We really need to calculate what this labyrinth building is currently costing you and me and the data from Australia on this is just
1:35Wild like one in four former federal cabinet ministers
1:39Eventually gets a job with a lobbying firm or a special interest group one in four right and the financial drain of that migration is
1:46Staggering take the energy sector
1:48Politicians designed a tax system for offshore gas that was so convoluted
1:52Companies could legally deduct almost all their costs wait wiping out their tax bills completely
1:58Because of those loopholes the Australian government collected literally zero dollars in resource tax on
2:04$62 billion of gas exports zero dollars on 62 billion
2:09I mean that's money that should be funding your schools and hospitals exactly
2:13And it hits your actual household wallet too captured regulations in the electricity market let network providers extract super normal profits
2:21Right which ended up adding up to
2:23Well $100 to household energy bills hold on though if an official cost the public billions and then gets a kitchy job in that exact sector
2:31I mean how that not just illegal bribery why aren't they in jail?
2:35Well because they rarely cross the line into actual illegal bribery
2:39They are just legally monetizing that bureaucratic capital. They're just exploiting the rules right
2:44It is entirely within the rules of a totally broken system in looking at the data
2:49It's super important to note here that this isn't a partisan issue
2:53We see this exact revolving door dynamic playing out equally with politicians on both the left and the right
2:58We're just impartially reporting the facts here. Oh absolutely. It happens everywhere
3:03So if the financial drain is this catastrophic
3:06Why haven't government stopped it? Because their half measures fail the UK for instance relies on an advisory system with no real enforcement
3:14Right like we saw during the green hill scandal. Yeah exactly
3:17Where a former prime minister was able to legally lobby his old government colleagues on behalf of a finance firm
3:23And there were literally zero consequences and what about the EU don't they have rules
3:29They give departing politicians a generous transitional allowance to hold them over but because there's no legally binding ban
3:3630% still become lobbyists anyway wait
3:39The EU pays them an allowance and they still become lobbyists. Yeah
3:44That is like paying someone a massive diet subsidy while they are actively working the register in a candy store
3:49I mean it makes zero sense it makes no sense
3:52But what's fascinating here is that a proven solution actually already exists really
3:57Where the Australian judicial pension?
4:00So judges receive a very generous lifetime pension
4:03But it comes with an absolute unyielding ban on practicing in their former courts. Oh wow. Okay. Yeah
4:09So if we apply this to say 100 former cabinet ministers at $200,000 a year
4:14It would cost taxpayers $20 million annually
4:17Okay $20 million a year to save billions
4:21I mean hearing about 20 million as a public
4:24Insurance premium big sense on paper
4:26But has there been a real world disaster where this actually threatened national security?
4:31Absolutely look at the apex case for this the port of Darwin
4:35former Australian trade minister Andrew Robb helped lease this highly critical strategic port to a foreign company for 99 years
4:43Okay, retired the very next day and immediately took an
4:48$880,000 a year consulting job with that exact same company. Are you serious literally the next day?
4:54That is wild
4:55That Darwin port deal is the ultimate red flag when a politician is negotiating a critical national asset
5:01You do not want them quietly wondering if the folks across the table might be their future bosses
5:06No, definitely not yet spending 20 million to stop that seems like an
5:10undeniable return on investment for you the citizen. It really is a no-brainer
5:15But I want to leave you our listener with this provocative thought to mull over
5:20If we strictly ban politicians from ever taking corporate jobs again
5:24We might actually deter talented private sector experts from running for office in the first place
5:29That is a very real risk. Yeah, right. We'd be left almost entirely with career politicians
5:35People who only ever want to work in government
5:38But ironically
5:39Would a government run entirely by career politicians actually make our democracy safer?
5:45It's a tough question. Yeah, or would we just be trading one kind of
5:49compromise referee for another?